Message 1676, April 6, 2001:
Hi all, Thanks for the messages received about the Gueneau 313/29 helmet. Hope that some other menbers will give more details about that subject. I think there is some confusion between the 313/19 helmet and the 313 1-M1. The 313 1-M1 was built for the French Navy. It was equipped with ROD goggles (dark blue goggles similar to the American B-8) or a sliding visor (HGU-55 look alike). Clear or tinted visors were used. The oxygen mask was the Ulmer A-13 (french made MS2201/A13).Some were modified to receive boom mikes (Breguet Alizé crew for example ).
Philippe

Message 1672, April 5, 2001:
Hi, I have one helmet like this. Is a Gueneau-Geno 313 / 29 size small. Date : 25 / 03 / 75. The helmet is in very good condition, liner, wiring and headphones perfect. No visor, because the original Gueneau visor is very hard to find. I have ask to Mart Aviation, but they sold all helmets like this and do not have spare visors. I have this helmet for sale, if there are someone interested please let me know and meke me an offer. Thank you.
Tapky, Spain

Message 1670, April 5, 2001:
Dear Sir, Your helmet saw current use with the Belgian AF. It was the helmet for student pilots flying the Marchetti propeller aircraft. Generally a MBU-5/P mask was used also the MS-22001 in the beginning. When using the MBU-5/P mask, the hardshell harness was equipped with hookup pressure system to fit the helmet. It was just like the retaining straps for the mask used with P-type helmets. Helmet can accomodate microphone assembly that can be placed on either side of the helmet. A hole is visible in the back where the commcord plug fits in for storage.
The helmet was made by GUENEAU-GENO, 6 Faubourg Sainte Honoré-PARIS 8°. Denomination of the helmet is 313/29. The visor is the same model as the current HGU-55 one. It uses the same system and well ahead of it's time.
The French marine used a similar helmet with this visor assembly. it is true that this helmet is more a export item from the Gueneau group. Not so many were manufactured and being complete makes it a nice addition to anyones collection of flight helmets. The helmet could also accomodate a set of dust goggles or flight goggles like the Rhode model or Novelthor. Currently these helmets see no more flight use and are used for SAR exercises. They should be decommissioned soon and probably destroyed ! I hope this gives you some info on that helmet.
SPEEDJEANS

Message 1669, April 5, 2001:
Bonjour Philippe, All i can telll you is that i came across a Belgian Gueneau 313 last week. This one had the normal "French" looks. Inner helmet and had an outer helmet with round holes. Also goggles were used instead of a visor.
Bye Ron

Message 1666, April 5, 2001:
Hi all, Could someone could tell me what is this helmet, which type, who used it, etc... My understanding is that it is a French made Gueneau of the 313 series made for a foreign contract. A friend of mine who is collecting French helmets said to me it was made for the Belgian Air Force. I never found anything on that subject, nor articles or pictures of pilots wearing it. Does someone could tell me where to find that helmet, and also the sun visor for it?
Bye, Philippe

Message 1114, February 9, 2001:
Hi All, Another P- series modification came to light while studying my copies of French AF manuals. The French have used (at some point in time (1957)) the P-3 series helmet. For this helmet the French adapted their own visor kit. This looks like the American version, but has a release handle on top. This visor kit is called the Type 541.1. made by L'Optique Scientifique. The Type 541.2 and 541.3 also exist but were used on the Gueneau Type 313 M1. Type 541.2 for the fighter pilot (visor at a 48 degree angle) and the Type 541.3 for the bomber/navigator (visor at a 70 degree angle). This has probably something to do with the use of a mask. For the fact sheets see the attachment. Bye HUD
451.1 datasheet, 451.2 datasheet

Message 126, April 12, 2000:
Hello Steve, I believe the helmet has been used at the beginning of the 60's by the French Air Force and Navy . Normally the Ulmer 16M Mask is used at this type of helmet and a pair of goggles wich looks like scuba diving goggles. The helmet is worn with an inner cloth helmet. Hope this will help a bit. Cheerio, Sven Scheffers

Message 121, April 12, 2000:
I recently purchased a French Flight helmet. It would appear to be the Gueneau 313. What would be the date of usage on this helmet? Does 1978 sound right?
There was an external visor on this helmet that was removed before I purchased the helmet. There is no comms (earphones or wire harness) inside the helmet and no oxygen mask. I could really use some information on this helmet and I would like to find the missing parts. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Steve (Figmo)